Tim Lackey & the Modern Knockabout, Part 2 (29 January 2007)

Wed, 24 Jan 2007

Hey Tim,

Wow, we are still talking about this crazy idea. I wonder if there is a twelve step program for this addiction.

Anyway more info and thoughts. Here is the best picture of the Altantic "cabin" and cockpit that I have found so far. There is also some pictures in the Boats for Sale info I have attached below.

Apparently Seafarer built some Altantics with a cuddy cabin but most were built with a flat deck. I am still trying to get info on Seafarer's involvement.

But maybe it is time to put a rough order of magnitude price on this insanity. Without knowing anything or seeing a boat can you even do this? Also what would be the next step? If I purchased an Atlantic on the East Coast, what is your time frame?
Ok, I need to stop staring at boats and get to my chores.

Thanks, Bill

Tim Lackey & the Modern Knockabout, Part 2 (29 January 2007) - Paddling Alone & Dodging Death

Wed, 24 Jan 2007

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the additional info. There's more room in the Atlantic than I thought. Assuming that the room in the Atlantic looks like essentially enough for you (assuming a small cabin and other deck modifications), then it should be fine. It seems as if there is a possibility of finding a used Atlantic for a price that would be reasonable enough to consider undertaking the sort of project you're considering. Of course, if you haven't been on an Atlantic yourself, I think it'd be prudent to physically sit in the space and ensure that you feel it would be adequate for your needs.

At this time, I really don't have the info I need to think about pricing something like this. At a minimum, I need a better idea, specifically, of what you are considering--how extensive the deck and cockpit modifications, the style and size of the cabin trunk, and the interior components. I'd also need an opportunity to get aboard an Atlantic and check out their construction and what would be needed in order to modify the structure to accommodate the changes.

However, here are the basics. I charge $xx/hour for labor and materials at cost +xx%. When possible, I prefer to stick with time and materials on these old boat jobs because there are so many unknowns when beginning a retrofit, particularly with as significant and custom a job as the sort of modifications you're considering. But I can work with you to figure out a rough idea of what these costs might be, though, once you figure out the possible specs for the job. I don't expect anyone to go into this sort of thing flying blind, or with a blank check.

Time frame is looking like roughly this fall to begin, give or take. I can assist with storage or transport in the meantime, if desired or necessary.

I look forward to continuing our chat. It's an interesting idea and I'm extremely intrigued.

Thanks again,

Tim

Wed, 24 Jan 2007

Hi Tim,

Ok, one last email for the day. One of the crumbs that has led me down this path is this L-16 named Elusive that Doug Hylan adapted. There is a short write up and picture (much better than this one) about it in Wooden Boat Magazine issue number 177 (March/April 2004). The caption reads:

"More than a racing boat: Doug Hylan adapted the L-16 Elusive for short cruises. He widened the cockpit, lengthened the cabin, and added an outboard well behind a new bulkhead in the after cockpit. A minimal galley and cupboards complete the arrangement".

The Luder's L-16 is even small and slimmer than the Atlantic. Its specs are: LOL=26.33 ft, LWL=16.33 ft, Beam=5.75 ft. All of the issues you are thinking about with respect to weight would seem to be more serious on this small boat. She is only 65% of the displacement of the Atlantic Class. I wonder how he accomplished this. Perhaps he used a lot of light colors down below to add the illusion of space. But seriously I think he did a great of it. Here is a picture of the standard L-16 for comparison. Bill